Steph Anderson @tonksaurors is the leader of the Wizard Rock band Tonks & The Aurors (often called the Springsteen of Wizard Rock). In the 2nd half of her conversation, she & Jesse talk West Wing & of course the Mary Question. http://stephandersonmusic.storenvy.com/
https://www.tonksandtheaurors.com/
https://setlustingbruce.libsyn.com/episode-380-steph-andrews-part-2